In alt.music.pink-floyd Bob <luna5nospam@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Steven Sullivan" <ssully@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:er4jap$ot4$1@reader2.panix.com...
> > In alt.music.pink-floyd Some Other Guy <trusso11783@yahoo.com > wrote:
> >> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:31:17 -0800, "Kyla" <kyla.waterman@comcast.net>
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> >
> >> >"Manfred Noland" ...
> >> >> WHERE THE %^$# IS THE GLOBAL WARMING NOW ????????????
> >> >> Crock o' shit !
> >
> >> Of course it is. Temperature is cyclic and has been since the beginning
> >> of time. There was an ice
> >> age that was not caused by humans. And as warm as it has been in the
> >> North East USA this winter
> >> until last week, it is bone chilling cold now. Absolutely freezing bone
> >> chilling cold. And it is
> >> over a week already with temperatures around 10 degrees (below with wind
> >> chill).
> >
> >> No global warming. If any, so minute that it makes little difference.
> >
> >> Tony
> >
> >
> > OMG, the IPCC should have DEFINITELY consulted you guys first before it
> > released its
> > most recent report!!
> >
> > Then again, maybe they just weren't interested in the dickhead view.
> >
> >
> >
> > ___
> > -S
> > "As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
> > metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

> Seems they are more interested in the political view and not at all about
> the environment.

> http://ff.org/centers/csspp/library/...5-06-09/nz.htm



It might well seem like that...to dickheads.


I loved this quote in Nature last week. British understatement at its finest

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...l/445582a.html


//
Climate change 2007: Climate sceptics switch focus to economics

..
..
..

It remains to be seen whether these (global warming skeptics') arguments will gain much
traction. Alan Thorpe of Britain's Natural Environment Research Council, which hosted an
online debate to canvass climate sceptics on their views, says that such views range from lazy
to devious.

"I think there is a degree to which there is mischievous use of scepticism," he says.
"Sceptics want to accuse scientific society of wanting a particular policy outcome, but actual
policy is up to governments."

//

___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Slip Kid" <"G-2"@att.net> wrote in message
> news:LGlBh.64416$2m6.6794@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > Jimbace wrote:

> > A few posts back I mentioned that even faith based constituencies are
> > lining up behind the science which is 'blaming' humans for damaging the
> > planet.
> > I've been pleasantly surprised that the most fundamentalist and
> > apocalyptic flocks accept the responsibility we have for the care and
> > maintenance of Earth.

> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe that this
> earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming or not.

The whole earth, or just the species on it now?


___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> >
> >
> > abby now wrote:

> > > Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> > > that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> > > or not.

> > Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> > suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> > pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> > may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> > a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> > a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> > unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> > Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.

> Your Bible must've had some pages missing:


Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
always wrong about this sort of thing.


___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

abby now wrote:
>
> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> >
> >
> > abby now wrote:
>
> > > Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> > > that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> > > or not.
>
> > Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> > suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> > pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> > may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> > a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> > a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> > unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> > Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>
> Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>
> Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
> Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
> to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
> means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
>
> Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
> no means pass away.
>
> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
> the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

Plus New Agers have been talking about the earth's upcoming sudden pole
shift for decades... where climates will change around the world,
waters will rise and cover many areas of land, and millions will die
instantaneously. Makes me wonder why I'm still living by the shore.

Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
> In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> > news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > abby now wrote:
>
> > > > Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> > > > that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> > > > or not.
>
> > > Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> > > suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> > > pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> > > may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> > > a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> > > a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> > > unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> > > Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>
> > Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>
> Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
> always wrong about this sort of thing.

Wow. Now that was uncalled for.

"TAR" <tom.rach@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:45D612C0.B9F@ix.netcom.com...
> Steven Sullivan wrote:

>> Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
>> always wrong about this sort of thing.

> Wow. Now that was uncalled for.

Fortunately, I never let people like him bother me. :-)

TAR wrote:
> abby now wrote:
>> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>>
>>> abby now wrote:
>>>> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
>>>> that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
>>>> or not.
>>> Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
>>> suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
>>> pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
>>> may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
>>> a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
>>> a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
>>> unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
>>> Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>> Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>>
>> Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
>> Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
>> to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
>> means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
>>
>> Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
>> no means pass away.
>>
>> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
>> the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>
> Plus New Agers have been talking about the earth's upcoming sudden pole
> shift for decades... where climates will change around the world,
> waters will rise and cover many areas of land, and millions will die
> instantaneously. Makes me wonder why I'm still living by the shore.

It depends how 'close' you are to the shore.
A ways off from the ocean today - - & you can look forward to beach
front property...
Yes, if your yard includes a beach now, you should get taller stilts.

The most dire predictions won't provide me a tide out my window.
I'm in Indiana and we'll see the Flintstones again before I walk down to
the surf.

Since we're at 27 consecutive days below freezing (Six in a row -0F) a
bit of warmth would be OK.

Michael

In alt.music.pink-floyd TAR <tom.rach@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> > > news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > abby now wrote:
> >
> > > > > Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> > > > > that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> > > > > or not.
> >
> > > > Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> > > > suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> > > > pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> > > > may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> > > > a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> > > > a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> > > > unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> > > > Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
> >
> > > Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
> >
> > Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
> > always wrong about this sort of thing.

> Wow. Now that was uncalled for.


Calling people who base predictions on the Bible 'nuts', is never uncalled
for...only too rare.


___
-S
"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

"Steven Sullivan" <ssully@panix.com> wrote in message
news:er5659$4p8$1@reader2.panix.com...

> Calling people who base predictions on the Bible 'nuts', is never uncalled
> for...only too rare.

You don't have to believe, that's your choice, but you should read this to
understand where the "nuts" are coming from:

http://www.100prophecies.org/page9.htm

abby now wrote:
> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>
>> abby now wrote:
>
>>> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
>>> that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
>>> or not.
>
>> Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
>> suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
>> pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
>> may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
>> a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
>> a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
>> unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
>> Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>
> Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>
> Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
> Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
> to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
> means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
>
> Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
> no means pass away.
>
> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
> the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

That's it?
Did you delete the dates so we wouldn't panic?
Should I check to see it doesn't say:
"Heaven and earth will pass away on February 19th, 2007."
(I'll hop a flight to Paris)
Or
"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth when the Police reunite."
(They waited 22 years...it's no big deal to drag it out longer)

I'm the last person to call anyone a procrastinator.
But you wrote "this earth will soon pass away" & I think the most recent
entries you cited are thousands of year old.
Consider:
If Matt quit payin' on his mortgage based message he received and done
wrote down?
Well, he obviously saw foreclosure before the rapture.

Michael

TAR wrote:

> Plus New Agers have been talking about the earth's upcoming sudden pole
> shift for decades... where climates will change around the world,
> waters will rise and cover many areas of land, and millions will die
> instantaneously. Makes me wonder why I'm still living by the shore.

If that happened, it would be very disruptive, but it certainly would
not be the end of the planet.

--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Good morning, Dr Cuddy! Love that outfit. Says, "I'm professional, but
I'm still a woman." Actually, it sorta yells the second part.' --Dr
Gregory House

abby now wrote:
> "Steven Sullivan" <ssully@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:er5659$4p8$1@reader2.panix.com...
>
>> Calling people who base predictions on the Bible 'nuts', is never uncalled
>> for...only too rare.
>
> You don't have to believe, that's your choice, but you should read this to
> understand where the "nuts" are coming from:
>
> http://www.100prophecies.org/page9.htm

I'm not a Yankee or Cub fan, but this is powerful shit.
You do know of this prediction?
The Yankees faced the Cubs in the '32 World Series.
They swept in four games.

No the 'big deal'...
During game 3, Babe hit what is known as "Babe Ruth's Called Shot".
Yep, during the at-bat, Ruth gestured to the deepest part of the park in
the center-field bleachers.
The Bambino said he was gonna smack it out.

I don't need to tell you what happened...

3








2








1


The ball landed near the flagpole & it's all recorded on grainy film.

He wasn't called "The Sultan of Swat" fer nuttin'.

Oh, he drank a lot and almost screwed his dick off...
But he was a profit!

Michael

abby now wrote:
> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>
>>
>>abby now wrote:
>
>
>>>Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
>>>that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
>>>or not.
>>
>
>>Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
>>suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
>>pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
>>may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
>>a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
>>a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
>>unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
>>Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>
>
> Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>
> Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
> Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
> to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
> means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
>
> Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
> no means pass away.

Both of those are really just hyperbolic metaphors to emphasize the
fidelity of the statements, not actual prophecy. It's as much as to say
"heaven and earth shall disappear before my word shall be broken".

>
> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
> the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>

Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.

In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity
(rather than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by
desert-dwelling hop heads with very little scientific understanding.

My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction
of the planet.

And - anyway - is that your full reasoning behind the assumption that
earth will "soon" pass away? Even given that the quoted passages were
relevant, where's the "soon"?

dmh

Steven Sullivan wrote:
> In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>
>>>
>>>abby now wrote:
>>
>
>>>>Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
>>>>that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
>>>>or not.
>>>
>
>>>Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
>>>suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
>>>pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
>>>may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
>>>a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
>>>a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
>>>unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
>>>Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>>
>
>>Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>
>
>
> Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
> always wrong about this sort of thing.
>
>

And repeatedly. If it weren't for the fact that these "prophecies" were
under the aegis of religious "thought," we would classify these
soothsayers as mad, because they keep repeating the same things over and
over (for millenia!) despite the fact that none of them actually ever
come to pass.

dmh

TAR wrote:
> Steven Sullivan wrote:
>
>>In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>abby now wrote:
>>>
>>>>>Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
>>>>>that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
>>>>>or not.
>>>>
>>>>Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
>>>>suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
>>>>pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
>>>>may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
>>>>a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
>>>>a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
>>>>unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
>>>>Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
>>>
>>>Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
>>
>>Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
>>always wrong about this sort of thing.
>
>
> Wow. Now that was uncalled for.

Why? It's simply a fact: there have been countless prophecies of a
coming apocalypse over the millenai, and they have - indeed - always
been proven wrong. There's nothing uncalled for about his statement in
the least. What might be considered as uncalled for is the injection
into a conversation about science of an insipid religiosity.

dmh