"abby now" <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Slip Kid" <"G-2"@att.net> wrote in message
> news:LGlBh.64416$2m6.6794@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Jimbace wrote:
>
>> A few posts back I mentioned that even faith based constituencies are
>> lining up behind the science which is 'blaming' humans for damaging the
>> planet.
>> I've been pleasantly surprised that the most fundamentalist and
>> apocalyptic flocks accept the responsibility we have for the care and
>> maintenance of Earth.
>
> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe that
> this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming or not.

Easy way out. So since your belief is it's all going to blow up anyway why
ever bother to do anything to make it better? Some faith.
>
>

In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Steven Sullivan" <ssully@panix.com> wrote in message
> news:er5659$4p8$1@reader2.panix.com...

> > Calling people who base predictions on the Bible 'nuts', is never uncalled
> > for...only too rare.

> You don't have to believe, that's your choice, but you should read this to
> understand where the "nuts" are coming from:

> http://www.100prophecies.org/page9.htm

OMG religious nuts can make lists?



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metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd Slip Kid <"G-2"@att.net> wrote:
> abby now wrote:
> > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> > news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> >>
> >> abby now wrote:
> >
> >>> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> >>> that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> >>> or not.
> >
> >> Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> >> suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> >> pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> >> may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> >> a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> >> a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> >> unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> >> Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
> >
> > Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
> >
> > Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
> > Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
> > to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
> > means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
> >
> > Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
> > no means pass away.
> >
> > Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
> > the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

> That's it?
> Did you delete the dates so we wouldn't panic?
> Should I check to see it doesn't say:
> "Heaven and earth will pass away on February 19th, 2007."
> (I'll hop a flight to Paris)
> Or
> "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth when the Police reunite."
> (They waited 22 years...it's no big deal to drag it out longer)

NO BRAH 2012 THE MAYANS SAID SO.

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metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd Slip Kid <"G-2"@att.net> wrote:
> abby now wrote:
> > "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> > news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> >>
> >> abby now wrote:
> >
> >>> Sure we're supposed to care for the earth, but I and many believe
> >>> that this earth will soon pass away - whether there's global warming
> >>> or not.
> >
> >> Soon? What do you mean by "soon"? And - for that matter "pass away." I
> >> suspect humans will be here long enough to die of boredom, and I am,
> >> pretty sure earth will be sticking around for a lot longer than that. It
> >> may not be pretty for the humans at some point, but there are really only
> >> a few scenarios that would justify saying "the earth will soon pass away":
> >> a direct hit from an unbelievably large mass, the death of Sol (which is
> >> unlikely to occur any time soon), and the return of Jesus. But even the
> >> Bible doesn't claim that the planet itself will cease to exist.
> >
> > Your Bible must've had some pages missing:
> >
> > Matthew 5:17-18 (NKJV) "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the
> > Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 "For assuredly, I say
> > to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one ot or one tittle will by no
> > means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
> >
> > Matthew 24:35 (NKJV) "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by
> > no means pass away.
> >
> > Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And
> > the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.

> That's it?
> Did you delete the dates so we wouldn't panic?
> Should I check to see it doesn't say:
> "Heaven and earth will pass away on February 19th, 2007."
> (I'll hop a flight to Paris)
> Or
> "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth when the Police reunite."
> (They waited 22 years...it's no big deal to drag it out longer)

NO BRAH 2012 THE MAYANS SAID SO.

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"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd Dale Houstman <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote:

> >
> > Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
> > always wrong about this sort of thing.
> >
> >

> And repeatedly. If it weren't for the fact that these "prophecies" were
> under the aegis of religious "thought," we would classify these
> soothsayers as mad,


'we' already do





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metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

In alt.music.pink-floyd Dale Houstman <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote:

> >
> > Oh. You're a religious nut. Never mind. Fortunately, your kind is
> > always wrong about this sort of thing.
> >
> >

> And repeatedly. If it weren't for the fact that these "prophecies" were
> under the aegis of religious "thought," we would classify these
> soothsayers as mad,


'we' already do





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"As human beings, we understand the world through simile, analogy,
metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

Sean Carroll wrote:
>
> TAR wrote:
>
> > Plus New Agers have been talking about the earth's upcoming sudden pole
> > shift for decades... where climates will change around the world,
> > waters will rise and cover many areas of land, and millions will die
> > instantaneously. Makes me wonder why I'm still living by the shore.
>
> If that happened, it would be very disruptive, but it certainly would
> not be the end of the planet.

Well, supposedly it would change the earth, and life, as we know it.

"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> abby now wrote:
>> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>
>> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
>> And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>>
>
> Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
> earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.
>
> In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity (rather
> than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by desert-dwelling
> hop heads with very little scientific understanding.
> My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction of
> the planet.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons
ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the
coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved,
being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless
we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which
righteousness dwells.
Pe 3:10-13 (NKJV


> And - anyway - is that your full reasoning behind the assumption that
> earth will "soon" pass away? Even given that the quoted passages were
> relevant, where's the "soon"?


I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
soon - as in the next 30 years.

"abby now" <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D624ED.6060909@skypoint.com...
>>
>>
>> abby now wrote:
>>> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>>
>>> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
>>> And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>>>
>>
>> Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
>> earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.
>>
>> In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity
>> (rather than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by
>> desert-dwelling hop heads with very little scientific understanding.
>> My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction of
>> the planet.
>
> But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
> heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
> fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned
> up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of
> persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and
> hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will
> be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
> Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new
> earth in which righteousness dwells.
> Pe 3:10-13 (NKJV
>
>
>> And - anyway - is that your full reasoning behind the assumption that
>> earth will "soon" pass away? Even given that the quoted passages were
>> relevant, where's the "soon"?
>
>
> I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
> soon - as in the next 30 years.

That's what was believed in the 70's by fundamenalists. And here we are,
still here.
>
>

Jimbace wrote:
> "abby now" <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:12tcbbkjrknv76e@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>news:45D624ED.6060909@skypoint.com...
>>
>>>
>>>abby now wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>>>
>>>>Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
>>>>And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
>>>earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.
>>>
>>>In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity
>>>(rather than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by
>>>desert-dwelling hop heads with very little scientific understanding.
>>>My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction of
>>>the planet.
>>
>>But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
>>heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
>>fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned
>>up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of
>>persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and
>>hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will
>>be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?
>>Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new
>>earth in which righteousness dwells.
>>Pe 3:10-13 (NKJV
>>
>>
>>
>>>And - anyway - is that your full reasoning behind the assumption that
>>>earth will "soon" pass away? Even given that the quoted passages were
>>>relevant, where's the "soon"?
>>
>>
>>I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
>>soon - as in the next 30 years.
>
>
> That's what was believed in the 70's by fundamenalists. And here we are,
> still here.
>
>>

Since the 70s!? This has been predicted by religious looncakes forever
now; the Middle Ages were stuffed with a series of such folderol and
fiddle faddle. In times of great cultural uproar, the sasme old tired
donkey is trotted out and beaten all over again. Unless one is insane, a
series of totally incorrect forecasts over the course of two thousand
years might make you doubt the very process of prophecy. Yet - after two
thousand years (not counting the apocalyptic visions which predate
Christianity) - the Bible munchers are still buying the same old tripe
from the same old fishmonger. So why - given such a record of repeated
self-delusion - is it so outrageous to think that religion might indeed
make people feeble-minded? Even an animal will usually stop eating the
same old eggs if they're always rotten. You'd think a supposedly
thinking human being could figure out that the Bible is a horrible guide
to the future by now, if only because it is such a horrible guide to the
past.

dmh

abby now wrote:

> I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
> soon - as in the next 30 years.

I'm covered.

I'm 1/2 Chosen People and the rest is at the will-call window.

So?
If I see a guy with a big nose, a brisket and a bundle o' bills comin'
down the street...
I do nuttin'.

(I can pass the "Drop Yer Pants" test)

Plan B:
I have sentries posted at each corner.
I'm ready for the signal.
Depending on the garb & lingo of the passenger in the limo?
My shelves are stocked with manuals, maps & I have a trunk of
trinkets....um, important stuff.

Plan C:
If the passenger in the stretch resembles a hooker?
I have a degree!
....in 'None Of The Above'.


====

But 30 years from now?
The odds are good I'll be seein' that show on re-runs.
I'd be 82 & I s'pect to be canceled before that.


Michael

TAR wrote:
> Sean Carroll wrote:
>>TAR wrote:

>>>Plus New Agers have been talking about the earth's upcoming sudden pole
>>>shift for decades... where climates will change around the world,
>>>waters will rise and cover many areas of land, and millions will die
>>>instantaneously. Makes me wonder why I'm still living by the shore.

>>If that happened, it would be very disruptive, but it certainly would
>>not be the end of the planet.

> Well, supposedly it would change the earth, and life, as we know it.

But it would not be the end of the planet.

At the end of the Paleozoic Era, 250 million years ago, something like
97% of all species of life on the planet disappeared.

And yet, the planet is still here.

--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Good morning, Dr Cuddy! Love that outfit. Says, "I'm professional, but
I'm still a woman." Actually, it sorta yells the second part.' --Dr
Gregory House

Jimbace wrote:
> "abby now" <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote

>>I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
>>soon - as in the next 30 years.

> That's what was believed in the 70's by fundamenalists. And here we are,
> still here.

There are several quotes in the Bible where Jesus, speaking to his
disciples, says clearly that he will return and 'God's Kingdom' will be
established on Earth within the lifetimes of some of those he was
speaking to, that some of them will see it happen before they die.

Needless to say, all of those people died nearly two thousand years ago.

--
--Sean
http://spclsd223.livejournal.com/
'Good morning, Dr Cuddy! Love that outfit. Says, "I'm professional, but
I'm still a woman." Actually, it sorta yells the second part.' --Dr
Gregory House

In alt.music.pink-floyd abby now <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> news:45D624ED.6060909@skypoint.com...
> >
> >
> > abby now wrote:
> >> "Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
> >> news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
> >>
> >> Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
> >> And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
> >>
> >
> > Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
> > earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.
> >
> > In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity (rather
> > than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by desert-dwelling
> > hop heads with very little scientific understanding.
> > My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction of
> > the planet.

> But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
> heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with
> fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.
> Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons
> ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking for and hastening the
> coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved,
> being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless
> we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which
> righteousness dwells.
> Pe 3:10-13 (NKJV

Fuck your god.


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metaphor, narrative and, sometimes, claymation." - B. Mason

"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> Jimbace wrote:
>> "abby now" <itsnomore@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:12tcbbkjrknv76e@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>>news:45D624ED.6060909@skypoint.com...
>>>
>>>>
>>>>abby now wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Dale Houstman" <dmh7@skypoint.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:45D5FB77.3070806@skypoint.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>Isaiah 65:17 (NKJV) "For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
>>>>>And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Only Baal knows what that means. It certainly doesn't mean that "old
>>>>earth" should necessarily be destroyed, only forgotten.
>>>>
>>>>In truth the Bible has little to say about the planet as an entity
>>>>(rather than as a spiritual idea) because it was mostly written by
>>>>desert-dwelling hop heads with very little scientific understanding.
>>>>My Bible is quite intact. It says nothing about the actual destruction
>>>>of the planet.
>>>
>>>But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the
>>>heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt
>>>with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be
>>>burned up. Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what
>>>manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, looking
>>>for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the
>>>heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with
>>>fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new
>>>heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.
>>>Pe 3:10-13 (NKJV
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>And - anyway - is that your full reasoning behind the assumption that
>>>>earth will "soon" pass away? Even given that the quoted passages were
>>>>relevant, where's the "soon"?
>>>
>>>
>>>I believe based on the prophecies in the Bible that the Lord will return
>>>soon - as in the next 30 years.
>>
>>
>> That's what was believed in the 70's by fundamenalists. And here we are,
>> still here.
>>
>>>
>
> Since the 70s!?


Yes, I know, I was speaking of modern times that abby would have been alive
in (or nearly).

This has been predicted by religious looncakes forever
> now; the Middle Ages were stuffed with a series of such folderol and
> fiddle faddle. In times of great cultural uproar, the sasme old tired
> donkey is trotted out and beaten all over again. Unless one is insane, a
> series of totally incorrect forecasts over the course of two thousand
> years might make you doubt the very process of prophecy. Yet - after two
> thousand years (not counting the apocalyptic visions which predate
> Christianity) - the Bible munchers are still buying the same old tripe
> from the same old fishmonger. So why - given such a record of repeated
> self-delusion - is it so outrageous to think that religion might indeed
> make people feeble-minded? Even an animal will usually stop eating the
> same old eggs if they're always rotten. You'd think a supposedly thinking
> human being could figure out that the Bible is a horrible guide to the
> future by now, if only because it is such a horrible guide to the past.
>
Ah-men.

As she herself quoted: Jesus said he will come 'as a thief in the night...'
NO man knows the appointed day or hour. So where she gets 30 years is
beyond me (and no, Revelations and prophecies are ALL no more
than -opinions- of those who give them meaning). At one time the Beatles
were supposedly the creatured flying from the great smoke of the pit (WWII
allegedly) just because one of the features of said creatures was long hair.
Hence the *modern* prophecies of the 60's and 70's.

Like applying meaning to Nostradamus' quatrains (already shown to be
incorrect).